I’m utter­ly com­mit­ted to the idea that cap­i­tal­ism has to be the way we gen­er­ate mass wealth in the com­ing cen­tu­ry. That argument’s over. But the idea that it’s not going to be mar­ried to a social com­pact, that how you dis­trib­ute the ben­e­fits of cap­i­tal­ism isn’t going to include every­one in the soci­ety to a rea­son­able extent, that’s aston­ish­ing to me.